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  • I think I get the memo that the manga she's in hasn't been translated for English readers yet, but I can't be the only one befuddled by the introduction of another Zabi. I mean, where could she have come from? Is she Degwin's ex-wife who communicates through her younger clones? Is she an illegitimate offspring to Kycilia or someone like Glemmy might've been to Gihren? You see what I mean?

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    • Thoughts?

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    • I guess she could Gihren's wife that was supposed to have been briefly mentioned in the novels.

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    • Listed her and Glemy as presumed members anyway.

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    • Garma's illegitimate child? He did had a lover before he died in the tv series.

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    • Kirasatoshi wrote: Garma's illegitimate child? He did had a lover before he died in the tv series.

      Who died in the next episode.

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    • could be the kid of Sasro Zabi. what year in the uc timeline does she appear, Degwin could have had another child with his second wife after garma as the kid was only 20 when he died. i really hope she does not turn out to be Gihrens kid as i dont like the idea of that guy reproducing.

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    • Guyver92 wrote: could be the kid of Sasro Zabi. what year in the uc timeline does she appear, Degwin could have had another child with his second wife after garma as the kid was only 20 when he died. i really hope she does not turn out to be Gihrens kid as i dont like the idea of that guy reproducing.

      About two years before the counterattack.

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    • Observer Supreme wrote:

      Guyver92 wrote: could be the kid of Sasro Zabi. what year in the uc timeline does she appear, Degwin could have had another child with his second wife after garma as the kid was only 20 when he died. i really hope she does not turn out to be Gihrens kid as i dont like the idea of that guy reproducing.

      About two years before the counterattack.

      how old did she look(i forgot to ask this importent question) was she a child, teen, or adult?

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    • I don't think the manga or whatever she's supposed to appear in has advanced that far yet.

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    • well without an image of her we will not be able to really determen what her relationship with the other zabi's is.

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    • She uses clones apparently. There's images of them on her article.

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    • looking at the pictures i would say she is the source material fpr Elpeo Ple and her clones. mostlikely she is related to the only female member of the zabi family. (by source Material i mean Ple were cloned from her.)

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    • The only Zabis with red hair are Mineva, whose hair seemed to eventually get lighter, or Kycilia.  Kycilia and Alicia, also contain many of the same letters and sounds.  Possible modified clone of Kycilia?

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    • If whoever concocted Alicia up can explain more, I can imagine her being the secret daughter of Kycilia and Johnny Ridden. But that's just my belief.

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    • Observer Supreme wrote:
      If whoever concocted Alicia up can explain more, I can imagine her being the secret daughter of Kycilia and Johnny Ridden. But that's just my belief.

      i like this idea as i am a big fan of Jonny Ridden. my old SD Gundam capsule fighter name was Ridden, taken form the man himself's name. also Kycilia did spend a lot of time away form the zeon homeland so it would have been easy to cover up a pregnancy.

      Also the Kycilia would have been around 16 when she meet Johnny it would mean she when threw a teenage pregnancy something Degwin would have also had a hand in covering up.it would also exsplan how she seemed to go from a very attractive teenager to a very mature looking woman at the young age of 24.

      also to farther support this is the fact that Johnny, Alicia and as i feel she is a clone of the woman Elpeo Ple have blue eyes. also kycilia had a bit of a hyper active personality when she was 13 and johnny was a bit of a hyperactive personality, this would explain some of Elpeo's hyperactive nature and but also Ple Two's more serious nature as Kycilia grew more serious as she got older.

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    • Not don't know about hyperactivity, but I'm sure The Origin upped Kycilia's age, so she probably a bit older than 24. I don't know.

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    • well she has the same birthday in both according to this wiki and is only 4 years older then Char in 0068 she was 13 years old well char was 9. also as she seems to have aged a great deal in the 3 years between the two episodes.

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    • Things get revised from time to time. I don't know about her birthday, but I distinctly remember her saying Casval was eleven in the year his father died. Garma was the same.

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    • well seeing as the Official website for gundam the origin(I checked) does not give a new date for char's age he was still born in 0059 along with Garma. also i haven't watched it since it came out on amazon instant video char was still 9 in the first episode of The origin so Kycilia's birthday would remain the same as well.

      i know people don't like the idea of a teenage girl being pregnant but it happens. Its not like johnny was older then her as they were about the same age.

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    • Just watch it on Cartoons8. Maybe it will refresh your memory.

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    • i recall Kycilia mentioning that the two were the same age but that is it.

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    • you do know that that is episode two that takes place 3 years+ later.

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    • Keep searching and you'll find episode 1.

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    • It could be possible that she is the daughter of Gihren Zabi and Cecilia Irene. I doubt Kycillia would have children since she really wasn't into men. She even cast aside Johnny Ridden.

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    • Ochira wrote: It could be possible that she is the daughter of Gihren Zabi and Cecilia Irene. I doubt Kycillia would have children since she really wasn't into men. She even cast aside Johnny Ridden.

      This constant changing in each Gundam universe can get really confusing. According to one storyteller, Deikun was an idealist while another says he was crazy.

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    • I don’t suppose someone made any independent inquiries on who she is and her connections to the Zabis are.

      But to genuinely answer the previous question, from what I understand, Kycilia didn’t really cast aside Johnny. She just felt unworthy of him after committing fratricide. As for Gihren and Cecilia, it depends on how old the latter would’ve been. And besides, I’m more of a fan of the idea that Glemy was Gihren’s heir.

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    • Well my Japanese isn't up to scratch to do anything but speculate, so speculation ahoy!



      Her appearance and the fact she has clones of herself obviously bring the Ple series to mind. I believe Elpeo Ple was one of (or a clone of one of) Gihren Zabi's illegitimate offspring (as was Glemy Toto, also connected to the cloning program), so it's possible Alicia is another of Gihren's children (she seems a little young to be one of Degwin's) , or, that she is an attempt at a "second bite at the cherry" of the Ple series by scientists from Axis who fled to Mars, or, that the two programs were developed side by side.



      Another possibility is that perhaps she is the original illegitimate child of Gihren who Elpeo Ple was cloned from. The theories of her being the child of Kycilia/Johnny Ridden or Gihren/Cecilia Irene are good ones, I think - perhaps the natural child secreted away to Mars after the fall of the Zabis, perhaps created in a laboratory with samples of genetic material (it strikes me as being in character for Gihren to have some sort of project like that in case he died). If you wanted to really go far out, you could say she is the artificially conceived child of Gihren and Kycilia using genetic material salvaged from their bodies after A Bao A Qu, as the Ple series cloning technique is stated to be able to select only the most beneficial genes during production. That way she'd certainly have the right to the Zabi surname, even if it is a bit icky. 



      But there's an important distinction between her and Elpeo or Ple 2 - Alicia Zabi, whether born naturally or artificially created in some cyber-newtype breeding program, is not cannon fodder, but rather in charge of ReZeon (and considered a Zabi, not just a relative). This makes me think that either she is indeed the child of a Zabi, or, if she were artificially created, it was in the aim of making a newtype uebermensch to lead the Zeon remnants on Mars, not some super soldier project.



      Of course, there's still the chance she's a common or garden Ple clone who survived the battle of Axis and...somehow...made her way to Mars and ended up leading Zeon remnants there. But considering the mental conditioning those clones received, it seems very unlikely for one to become an authority figure. But to find out the real answer, I guess we'll just have to wait for a translation (or learn Japanese). Until then, let's have our imaginations run wild!

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